[Businessmtg] LA Position

[wasmixedup]

(sorry hit send on accident)

By the time I get home from work and/or a F2F I'm so completely exhausted I don't have the energy to even make a decent meal for myself. I also don't have the ability to take care of matters while at work, because I'm in-and-out of the office throughout the day, at various times. I, honestly, feel that I would definitely enjoy a more intensive service position, although I recognize my current limitations. 

I'm sorry for not providing a solution myself. Throughout the particular discussion concerning the LA position, which it sounds like is very important and thus needed, it also doesn't seem very daunting or time consuming. As per the last email I received on the matter, if to others it does seem like much for one (1) person, can we consider, at least for a time, halving the position. As I'm typing this email I don't have the list of duties of the position in front of me, although I'm sure the duties can easily be halved. If we also agree on a timeframe to re-evaluate the entire position and receive input from the two (2) persons handling the position, we may be able, as a group, to better understand the position as a whole and the need or not of "recombining" the position. In this way, we (those of us less familiar) have time to fully understand the position, the importance of the position, and a reasonable committment to the position (both time daily and as the service position).

I hope that all of this has made sense to everyone and look forward to our ability to create a solution which meets the needs of the group as a whole and the needs of members of this group true to our tradition: "Our common welfare should come first; persoinal progress for the greatest. Number depends upon unity".

Thanks for letting me share. Hugs to all :)

Khaleelah -----Original Message-----
From: Denise Siegel <siewrthy at pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:05 PM
To: wasmixedup at yahoo.com
Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
Subject: [Businessmtg] LA Position

Hi Folks,

>From my three years of experience with ASP, I have found that things work pretty well. The issue, it  appears to me, is always about getting members to step up and take service positions. I think part of this is an "online" issue. Members hate it when the "chair" doesn't chair for a day; they also get really really angry when they are house-cleaned from the list because they don't respond to the List Administrator's call to respond to remain on the list. As a greeter, I have seen some pretty nasty emails going around because someone got de-listed because they didn't respond and seem to think that it is everyone else's problem except their own.

I don't know if this is a "control" issue as many have stated. I think it is an inherent problem with online. It is easier to delete the request for service--harder to turn one's head aside when the call is made at a F2F.

I love being a greeter and hope to be the greeter chair when that position is called for. I'd be happy to do list administrator if that is what is needed. 

I think there some things to consider when comparing online with F2F. Namely, the transitions are easier and more seamless. At a F2F, you are all in the same (or nearby) towns. Transitioning things like treasurer is so MUCH easier. Transitioning things which may even involve moving around COUNTRIES is not so easy. So, maybe the extended time commitments seem daunting but they also seem somewhat realistic--IMHO. And I also think that many in other countries feel they can't lead because they are in other countries...I think making it clear that service at ASP is NOT country-specific might help. Just a thought.

I have felt, again IMHO, that those that are questioning control are also trying to exert an excessive amount of control in how this meeting operates. I am all about embracing change if the change is good. I've heard a lot of complaining but not a lot of solutions. I'd love to hear solutions. 

Breaking up the LA job is fine if that is what works. But Jennifer had to send out requests for Chairs twice to get them filled. And, as Tara said, getting greeters has been difficult. I know that when I signed up, one other did...albeit, reluctantly, and she lasted about a month. I did greeter duty alone for a year. Sometimes it was a LOT; most times, manageable. I had an immense amount of support from Tara and Dawn. They helped me so much to understand and respond to sometimes very difficult exchanges. I was and am dedicated to greeting. I get so much from this position of service.

Last time we asked for greeters, only one applied and I was asked to stay on. Which I was happy to do but wondered why no one else in the 200+ membership could spend from 1 to 15 minutes a day to do this position?

As with donations and such, cyberspace has limitations and anonymity that F2F doesn't offer. Both the good and the bad.

Lots of people come here in pain and learn and grow. But for the same people, they don't understand the value and benefit of service. It is something that is clearer in a F2F; it is easier to refuse the benefit of service online--perhaps because the benefits are not clearly seen; or perhaps because it is easier to hide online.

If reducing the time commitments or breaking up duties is the answer, then lets talk about what make sense. I'd rather focus on solutions, personally, than take this time to question the decisions made by those who came before us.

Thanks for letting me share.

Hugs and love,
Denise


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