[Businessmtg] Show Of Hands

[Jane Anon]

Re polling. All results including comments and questions are recorded
in one place by the polling plugin used by the website. I can save all
the results as they are automatically archived. Also I announced the
results of one of the polls because Laura asked me to. Finally there
is a lag time between the time I am asked to create a poll and its
creation because I dont have access every day and am very busy as all
of us are. If Laura tells me it is urgent I can make arrangements but
lag times in a mtg conducted via email are inevitable. Oh and if you
find something I say disrespectful or otherwise inappropriate Steve
please email me privately while that particular mtg is going on. I
cant make amends properly otherwise. Thank you.

On 9/21/16, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:
> Jane: actually there are real problems with putting a poll on the website.
>
> 1. Setting up a poll on the website required another person to get involved.
> If the Chair needs a straw poll to test the temperature of the meeting, just
> let her do that. She's the Chair and she doesn't need the webmaster to get
> involved - that only serves to complicate the process. Sometimes I wonder
> who is Chairing this meeting . . . Sandie announces agenda items and
> upcoming polls, Jane announces polls and results. Laura is the Chair and I'd
> like to see Laura chair the meeting without others getting involved and
> doing what is rightfully her job.
>
> 2. Setting up a poll takes time to do. Days. Just looking at the last
> Business Meeting, it took 2.5 days to set up the poll. The time before that
> was also 2.5 days. That's consistent with every other poll we've had at ASP.
> Add another day for members to respond and we're looking at 3-4 days for a
> website poll that we can do in 1 with an email poll.
>
> 3. The record of the poll is temporary - it vanishes when a new poll is set
> up. Sooner if the webmaster deletes it. Let's say that the Chair asks for a
> poll after 6 days of discussion, we see the result and discuss those issues
> that seem to need further discussion, and then take another poll. Poof! The
> original poll is gone and it's impossible to compare.
>
> 4. Tallying the results. I fail to see how you can "tally" a poll that
> contains comments and questions. Besides, accuracy is not an issue.
>
> 5. No doubt, some members will respond late. Their take on the issue is lost
> on a website poll. OTOH, their responses to the straw poll will come in and
> be available for consideration, even if late.
>
> 5. Reporting the results - members get to see the results themselves without
> the kind of personal politicization we saw in lieu of actual results from
> the last poll. Reporting that " . . . won by a landslide" is totally
> inappropriate, especially since the reporting ignored the actual tally. This
> was totally inappropriate of a leader in an Al-Anon meeting and quite
> disrespectful of those that voted against or abstained on the issue.
>
> If the objective of the poll is to be a straw poll taken during the meeting
> just like you'd have in a f2f meeting, then why not do exactly that? Take a
> straw poll in the meeting right now! A day later, everyone knows the results
> and can refer to them whenever they wish.
>
> Why not just keep it simple and take a straw poll and get on with the
> meeting?
>
> Hugs,
> Steve
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Businessmtg
> [mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve=serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org] On Behalf Of
> Jane Anon
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:59 PM
> To: Steve - SC
> Cc: ASP Business
> Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Show Of Hands
>
> I like the idea of a straw poll, but it could be done really easily on the
> website as well, using exactly the same wording and leaving space for
> comments and questions. I could even ask people to write in their names and
> I could leave the results visible. It's a whole lot easier to tally the
> results of a straw poll on the website than via separate emails.​
>
> Jane
>
> "It is easier to put on slippers than to carpet the world." ~Stuart Smalley
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> It just occurred to me that the easiest and simplest way to resolve
>> this issue is to allow the Chair to request an IMMEDIATE "show of
>> hands" DURING the Business Meeting, but not until AFTER the
>> information phase is complete and we have spent some time in the
>> deliberation/opinion.
>>
>> My idea is that the Chair sends out a message like this that members
>> would REPLY to:
>>
>> ************************************
>>
>> Straw Poll on the current agenda topic.
>> Please check one or more boxes.
>> Comments and questions are welcome.
>>
>> For             [ ]
>> Against [ ]
>> Undecided       [ ]
>> Abstain [ ]
>> Confused        [ ]
>> Table           [ ]
>> Comment [ ]  _____________________
>> ______________________________________
>> Question        [ ]  _____________________
>> ______________________________________
>>
>> **************************************
>>
>> In fact, I'd suggest using this exact message as I wrote it, although
>> I'm open to edits and suggestions.
>>
>> Note that members may select more than one box. Why? Because it's easy
>> to feel mostly "for" the issue, yet still have a nagging question. Or
>> perhaps undecided, but leaning toward "against". Yes, it allows for a
>> more complex response, but not everyone's response fits into a pretty
>> little box like on a ballot.
>>
>> Members would have 24 hours to REPLY - ALL replies would go to the
>> list (Business Meeting).
>>
>> This would provide the temperature check, as Sandie calls it, but it
>> would not in any way be a vote, and everyone in the "room" would be
>> able to see every response. Plus, it would take very little time to
>> accomplish. What if someone doesn't reply in 24 hours? It's not a big
>> deal.
>>
>> On a related note, I'll ask the List Administrator to change the
>> settings on the server for the Business Meeting so that hitting REPLY
>> goes to list, not the individual. The Business Meeting operates very
>> differently from the recovery meeting, and all replies should be heard
>> by everyone in the meeting. Ditto for the Steering Committee meeting.
>>
>> Hugs,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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Jane

"It is easier to put on slippers than to carpet the world." ~Stuart Smalley