[Businessmtg] Fwd: Old member site vs the one we have used since early 2015

Wed Oct 18 18:05:27 PDT 2017

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From: Sandie Parkker <sandieparkker at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Old member site vs the one we have used since
early 2015
To: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>, Jane Anon <
happynjoyousnfree at gmail.com>

Hi Jane.  See below, peace and hugs.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:00 PM Jane Anon <happynjoyousnfree at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was just wondering when this change from "old member site" to new "one we
> have used since early 2015", was there a consensus and a subsequent motion
> to change from old link to new link?
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> The decision was made at the level of the Steering Committee, which
> unanimously approved the sites at the time.
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> Were these changes brought to the BM one by one, line by line and
> presented to the BM to use KBDM to form an
> opinion?
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> No one, including Steve, suggested this should be done at the time, but
> it's not a bad idea.

I understand Jane.  Let's be fair here.  You had a major hand in it also
and chose not to engage the rest of the community.

Conscious or unconscious thought.  You know how the disease works.  It's
always the dysfunctional hard wiring that comes out first.  Sigh...

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>  It seems to me Jane, you are looking for accolades
> and credit for your work, which in my book is not principalities over
> personalities.  Sounds like forcing solutions and a private agenda.
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> Apologies if that is how I'm coming across. I was just trying to say that
> while yes, I have invested a lot here, that isn't the primary reason I feel
> the sites should be voted on.

This is the way it comes across.  Forcing a solution.  Private agenda.

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> In fact the very word you use as "transferring" indicates to me a very one
> sided transferring of information without taking the rest of us and what we
> would like for our website, into account.   Sounds controlliing and we were
> here on ASP were not offered
> a choice.
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> That is correct. My intent is to remedy that now. If you will read my
> motion, the intent is to use the current site as a starting point, with all
> future changes to be approved by the Business Meeting.

Yes, this is correct Jane, we, the membership, were not offered choice.  No
Jane.  You cannot offer correction for something that is not yours to
correct.  We all are involved here.  Not just you.

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> "You say you "ALWAYS" welcome collaboration".  I understand that you may
> think that you are collaborating, But making decisions by yourself on the
> website content, was not your job description.  Your job description as
> webmaster was only concerned with design.  Not deleting, changing, nor
> adding content.  It was not your responsibility to take on changing the
> content of website for the group.  Period.
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> I was new to my position at the time. I was given permission by the SC to
> transfer the sites to WordPress after having issues with the older sofware.
> In the process, I added some content and did a little reorganizing.

Yes, Jane this was the problem.  You did not have a clear understanding of
your job description and for whatever reason, chose not to clarify it, once
you stopped getting the support you needed.  Didn't you think something was
wrong once the major players in the SC shut down communication?  It is so
familiar of the disease and wanting it my way or the highway.  Subtle.

I then
> presented it to the Steering Committee for review and made a few suggested
> changes.

Here it is again Jane.   *You *made suggestions for changes.  You, not *us.
This is an us situation.  *

I created a poll and the SC unanimously approved the sites.

 I don't know if it had a 2/3 vote on it or not.
Approved does not constitute going directly to motion.  Not in ASP policies
as I have previously discussed.

The LA
> changed the settings so that the new links appeared at the bottom of every
> email.

Here again is another example of changes that we, the group membership were
not given a choice to view these changes before they happened.  This is
double headed management and consolidation of power in my book.

No one said "Hey wait! You shouldn't have added this or rearranged
> that!"

It was your responsibility to bring each change line by line, one at a time
to us, the membership.  Not make a unilateral decision to just do the
changes.

If they had, I would have removed the content I added and put
> everything back in line with the old site.

The old site needed to be left intact.  Each change needed to go thru the
proper channels.  Which is thru *all *of us.  Not just a chosen few.  *All.*

So no, I didn't just do all this
> on my own and it wasn't until 2 years later that anyone suggested that I
> may have over-stepped my bounds.

Yes, Jane you did.  And you brought another non program person in to help
you do this as well as Sandie.  This non program person was given access to
*our *website.  Without *our *permission, to look at, add, delete, to
change content
on *our *website.  Without any regard for anyone's anonymity.  This person
also made decisions that maybe you weren't even aware of.  You wonder why
the founder of this website was angry?  Changing founding statements like
it was nothing.  See, he was/is probably just as upset as you are now.
What a shame.  And all for what? To what end to forsake your other members?

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