[Businessmtg] List Administrator tables discussion of list administrator

[Steve Rankin]

Hi Adrian,

This is how it works:

1.  I am the acting Secretary and as such the Chair of the Business Meeting.
As such, I have all the duties and responsibilities of the Chair during the
entire meeting, from the time we open until we adjourn. 

2.  Anne O. had requested the List Administrator/Founder topic, so I gave
her the floor for that discussion, however I did not relinquish my position
as Chair of the Business Meeting.  Anne was free to introduce her topic and
to inject comments, explanations, etc. as the discussion ensued.  

3.  In other words, Anne was given the opportunity to lead the discussion of
that particular topic, but that did not include the duties and
responsibilities of Chairing the meeting.  Those remain with the Chair.

4.  We normally allot one week for each phase of our Business Meetings to
allow our members to participate.  In this case, we went over that time
allotment for a single topic.  If there had continued to be active
discussion and perhaps progress towards a consensus, then I may have
extended the time. However, in the last day and a half of discussion there
were only 2 posts after mine, hence my decision to table the discussion.
Concepts 3 & 4 in play. 

5.  I should note that even IF we had reached a clear consensus during this
month's Business Meeting allowing us to move onto the formal motion-making
phase, we would NOT have voted this month.  ASP policy requires that we
extend the discussion and voting process to a minimum of 3 Business Meetings
over a period of a minimum of 5 calendar months:
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"Issues which would result in a major change to ASP or are controversial in
nature will have a delayed discussion and voting procedure.
Month 1:  Announcement of topic followed by truncated discussion to
illuminate issues.  Discussion limited to 1 week.
Month 3:  Full discussion of topic.  Discussion may be extended to following
month(s) as needed.
Month 5+: Voting on motion."
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6.  The Opening of the ASP Business Meeting includes links to ASP policy
posted on our website:

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"For those that are new to our Business Meeting, or those that would like a
refresher on how the Business Meeting works at ASP, please visit the ASP
website at http://asp-atfg.org/members/ <http://asp-afg.org/members/>  . 

Of particular interest are:
*             The ASP Business Meeting in general is described here
http://asp-afg.org/members/business-meeting/
*             The process of business discussion and decision making at ASP
follows the Knowledge Based Decision Making process described in detail here
http://asp-afg.org/members/kbdm/  .

*             The relationship of the Business Meeting and Steering
Committee, their respective duties and authorities, as well as the job
descriptions, duties and responsibilities of the officers elected to the
Steering Committee are found in our ASP Service Structure here
http://www.asp-afg.org/ASP/nbm/structure.htm  
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It is important to understand that ASP uses a KBDM process in its Business
Meetings. That process is described in detail at
http://asp-afg.org/members/kbdm/.  Regarding the making of motions, our KBDM
process clearly states:
"b. All motions are out of order during the KBDM phase of the group
conscience."

I hope this explains how our Business Meetings at ASP work.  

Love and SERENITY,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Businessmtg On Behalf Of Adrian Coburn
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:33 AM
To: steve at serenitysys.com
Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] List Administrator tables discussion of list
administrator

Hi,

I thought Anne O. was leading this discussion. Are you making a motion to
table the issue? Concept 3 - decision making makes effective leadership
possible - is tempered by concept 4 - participation is the key to harmony.

In Service,
Adrian

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 1:22 PM Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:

> Hi ASPers,
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> The early shares on the "LA and Founder Roles" topic were consistently 
> for making some changes, primarily some kind of committee to support 
> the List Administrator by dealing with the thousands of emails received
every month.
> Unfortunately, it seems that few noticed the comments in my report 
> that described in a general way how few of those emails actually 
> needed to be read.  Hence, my note Tuesday night that outlined the 
> types of emails the LA receives and why less than 2% of them need to 
> be read and attended to.
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> Another significant issue related to other members accessing the List 
> Administrator emails and "helping" is that in order to "help" those 
> people would need to have the same access to the server that the List 
> Administrator has.  IMHO, that poses a huge security problem for ASP.  
> I know that Al-Anon likes to call its volunteers "trusted servants" 
> but the reality is that not all members of Al-Anon can or should be 
> trusted.  I personally know of two face-to-face Al-Anon "trusted 
> servants" that stole tens of thousands of dollars from Al-Anon. I also 
> know of at least 3 instances where a trusted servant of ASP violated 
> that trust and accessed the server and either made changes on the 
> server or used the information that they gleaned from the server for 
> their personal use.  I could go on about this issue, but I'll save it 
> for the next time.
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> Our objective in Al-Anon is to reach an "informed" group conscience.  
> A majority opinion without being informed is just an opinion and 
> doesn't meet the higher standards of Al-Anon.
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> Since we have run out of time allotted for this discussion, I'm 
> tabling this subject.
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> Moving on to the next topic for the Business Meeting:
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> "Address the participation requirements for topic chairs - Jerry"
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> Jerry, the floor is yours.
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> Love and SERENITY,
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