[Businessmtg] Motion #4 - Hugging it out with Steve...

[Steve Rankin]

Hi Jerry,
We aren't creating any new procedures for the Secretary to follow when selecting an Assistant.  Therefore, the Secretary has a certain obligation** to follow the same procedures used by the Greeter Chair to select & appoint new Greeters every year, and the Secretary uses to select & appoint new Daily Chairs every 6 months.
Namely, that process is to announce the service position in the main recovery meeting, then select from the ASP members that volunteer.  
** I used the word obligation intentionally.  See, Motion #4 tells the Steering Committee that it is responsible for not only implementing ASP policy (determined by the members in the Business Meeting), the SC is also responsible for implementing the "practices" of ASP.  When a meeting has established a history of doing things in certain ways, those ways are similar to a formal group conscience in that no member has the right change them without a group conscience.  
In other words, the Secretary would need to follow this same practice for selecting and appointing an Assistant Secretary.  
Hugs,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Businessmtg On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 5:57 AM
To: steve at serenitysys.com
Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Motion #4 - Hugging it out with Steve...

Morning, Steve and all,

On our Item 4):

I see the difference between "requesting volunteer member support" and [Secretary appointing a position] as potentially significant:

1) The Secretary would be asking the whole group for help,
2) more members are thus encouraged to consider service, and
3) a wider choice of skill sets may become available.

The Secretary reviews the responding volunteers then appoints one as the SecAsst. So the final outcome is the same either way - except the process involves the whole group, encourages participation, and still gives the Secretary the final choice while earning the one chosen credit toward qualification for further service.

I believe this slight difference improves on the SC's good work and would benefit ASP more in the long run.

Also, ditto on your comments regarding our exchanges as these details are hammered out. This email format can make earnest discussion appear as argument to some, but you and I know that not to be true.

Hugs back atcha,
Jerry
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On September 19, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:

Hi Jerry,
This is much better, thank you.  We are very nearly on the same page with only a couple of details different between what you are saying, and what we are recommending.
1.  Disbanding the Web Master position - we're on the same page completely.
2.  Elect a Group Representative, with voice and vote on Steering Committee.  Again, we're on the same page exactly.
3.  Elected officers on the Steering Committee may request assistance from one or both of the Founders.  Yep, we're still in 100% agreement.
4.  Upkeep of the website delegated to the Secretary, who may have an assistant.  Here we have two slightly different versions.  Yours says the Secretary may request volunteer member support.  The SC's version goes further and allows the Secretary to appoint an assistant.  The only real difference is that the SC's version considers the Secretary's assistant an official service position that counts towards serving on the Steering Committee.  As a service position, this position could be especially valuable as a true intro into service on the Steering Committee, much like the Greeter position has served us over the years.
Hugs,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: Businessmtg On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 3:23 PM
To: steve at serenitysys.com
Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
Subject: [Businessmtg] Motion #4 Suggestion

Biz-Pals,

Instead of exchanging might-be's and possibly making no headway may I suggest this in the hopes of gaining a consensus:

I would easily support a motion which included these three elements:

1) The Webmaster position is disbanded,
2) ASP is to create an elected Group Representative position, said Group Representative is to have voice and vote on ASP's Steering Committee, and
3) Elected ASP officers can, when necessary, request and receive temporary assistance from one or both parties holding ASP's two Founder seats.

This makes it clear that there would be no SC seat count changes and that the Founder's support is authorized when and if needed.

Somewhere in recent BM history I clearly recall a suggestion that we consider naming the Founders as the sole interpreters of the intent of our passed motions and existing policies. I would stand strongly against such a notion. Hopefully I just came up with this thought in a bad dream 😳. If so I'm playing my Old Man Card and pleading involuntary surmising!

In service,
Old Man Jerry
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