[Businessmtg] Agenda Item #2 - Group Meeting Listings

Fri Apr 19 20:37:22 PDT 2024

Hi Jerry,

Been there, done that.  At least we talked about that in the Steering Committee.  My version was to assign each daily meeting a specific starting time.  

If only it was that simple.  You see, we are not the ones that listed ASP and the other email meetings as 24/7 - that was a unilateral decision by WSO.

As for the Area figuring out the that current assignment of districts isn't practical. . . I'm not holding my breath on that one either.  The GEA was every bit as controlling and allowing zero tolerance for the GRs to make their own decision.  The decision was made by the GEA leadership, a motion was prepared in advance of the Assembly by GEA officers and presented to the GRs in advance of any & all discussion.  The GRs were given a simple choice - take it or leave it.  Since the Zoom meetings predominate and none of this affected them, the vote was merely a formality.  

So far, we have seen no trace of KBDM in the either the WSO or the GEA regarding anything about the creation or structure of the GEA or the districts.

I have no doubt that the email groups and districts experience similar problems.  However, the WSO has structured the electronic groups in such a way that even our combined voice is puny.  The fact is that all of the electronic groups in the world have but one voice and vote in the World Service Conference, while WSO has over 20 voices and over 20 votes.  There are 69 geographical Areas in the US and Canada, and one Electronic Area (the GEA) for the entire planet, for a total of 70 Delegates which are elected by the GRs at their Area Assembly.  There are an additional 21 Trustee (both At Large selected by WSO/BoD) and Regional (selected by Area Delegates) plus the Executive Committee.  Lastly, there are 8 members of WSO staff.  Altogether, this adds up to 99 individuals attending the WSC with both voice and vote; 29 of which are not directly elected by the Groups.  A consequence of this structure is that WSO staff and the Board dominate the discussion and direction of the WSC, and only need 4 Delegate votes to kill any motion.  Below is the list of individuals and their position that attended the 2023 WSC.  

NOTE:  Unlike every geographic Area, the GEA is not represented by a Trustee on the Board of Directors.  

Hugs,

Steve

AREA DELEGATES

1

Laura M., Alabama/Northwest Florida

2

Mari J., Alaska

3

Diane G., Alberta/Northwest Territories

4

Gene T., Arizona

5

Marti P., Arkansas

6

Owen H., British Columbia/Yukon

7

John McG., California North

8

Tim P., California South

9

Kari O., Colorado

10

Elaine M., Connecticut

11

Matt W., Delaware

12

Gretchen S., Florida North,

13

Alternate Delegate

14

Diane B., Florida South

15

Char G.F., Georgia

16

Nieta G., Global Electronic Area, Alternate Delegate

17

Penni S., Hawaii

18

Cheryl S., Idaho

19

Liz P., Illinois North, Alternate Delegate

20

Carol W., Illinois South

21

Maureen H., Indiana

22

Becky V., Iowa

23

Terry R., Kansas

24

Linda C., Kentucky

25

GW W., Louisiana

26

Carol G., Maine

27

Brenda L., Manitoba/Northwest Ontario

28

Tara M., Maritime Provinces

29

Phil B., Maryland/District of Columbia

30

Jane P., Massachusetts

31

Kristine G., Michigan

32

Linda H., Minnesota North

33

Kit S., Minnesota South

34

Leigh R., Mississippi

35

Sue K., Missouri

36

Pamela C., Montana

37

Lalit J., Nebraska

38

Lisa S., Nevada

39

Kate M., New Hampshire

40

Katie O’C., New Jersey

41

Rocio N., New Mexico/El Paso

42

Kathi D., New York North

43

Pat G., New York South

44

Marilyn McC., Newfoundland/Labrador

45

Aileen W‑M., North Carolina/Bermuda

46

Bermuda

47

Darcy A., North Dakota

48

Ann F., Ohio

49

Emily C., Oklahoma

50

Debbie C., Ontario North

51

Gwen D., Ontario South

52

Joanne C., Oregon

53

Lori F., Pennsylvania

54

Lourdes C., Puerto Rico

55

Johanne S., Quebec East

56

Hélène A., Quebec West

57

Cindy B., Rhode Island

58

Mary C., Saskatchewan

59

Barbara O’D’., South Carolina

60

Renae B., South Dakota

61

Karla K., Tennessee

62

Mattie T., Texas East

63

Peggy D., Texas West

64

Dave B., Utah

65

Laura A., Vermont

66

Stacy L., Virginia

67

Katharine R., Washington

68

Elliott B., West Virginia

69

Joanne F., Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan

70

Donna W., Wyoming

BoD, TRUSTEES, WSO STAFF [29 TOTAL]

[all have voice & vote except 2 as noted]

BOARD OF TRUSTEES

TRUSTEES AT LARGE

1

Ann Marie Z.

2

Don B.

3

Jeri W.

4

Lynette K.

5

Nancy S.

6

Pennie K.

7

Kathi M.

REGIONAL TRUSTEES

1

Cindy M., US Southwest 

2

Diane B., US South Central 

3

Jean L., US North Central 

4

Debbie P., Canada Central

5

Sally K., Canada West

6

Tony S., Canada East

Sustaining Member

Vali F., Executive Director

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

1

David B., Chairperson

2

Vali F., Executive Director

3

Lynette K., Board Chairperson (Ex-officio)

4

Cindy M., Treasurer

5

Jeri W., Policy Chairperson

6

Carol M., Member at Large

7

Jeff F., Member at Large

8

Sarah S., Staff member

NON‑TRUSTEE COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON

Liz D., Executive Committee for Real Property Management Chairperson**

WORLD SERVICE OFFICE STAFF

1

Vali F., Executive Director

Niketa Williams, Director of Finance & Operations*

2

Sarah S., Director of Programs

3

Scot P., Director of Communications & Community Awareness

4

Heather S., Associate Director – Community Relations

5

Sue P., Associate Director – Group Services

6

Suzanne M., Associate Director – Conference

7

Tanya J., Associate Director – International

8

Tom C., Associate Director – Literature

*Non‑member, non‑voting

**Non‑voting

-----Original Message-----
From: Businessmtg On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 6:26 PM
To: steve at serenitysys.com
Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
Subject: [Businessmtg] Agenda Item #2 - Group Meeting Listings

Biz-Pals,

> Silly as this may seem, instead of listing our meeting as 24/7, why not just list our meeting time(s) as 8:00am 12:00pm, 4:00pm, and 8:00pm seven days a week? Yes it's a work-around, which doesn't bother me a bit. Anyone signing in at whatever time of day gets the same opening and topic anyway so no changes would be necessary.

> I feel that once our electronic Area finds out that the current District divisions aren't practical and move to Areas broken by common languages and/or meeting formats, the WSO may eventually amend their meeting finder from just "by day & time" (the traditional way to list face-to-face meetings) to finding meetings categorized first under the different format types [email, phone, zoom, f2f etc.] Time will tell.

   Newcomers would first choose the format which works best for them making us easy to find and again alphabetically at or near the top.

>>> I also think our GR should be working with the other email groups' Representatives (as if we were a district) during these infant years of being accepted as actual Al-Anon Groups. Surely these email groups face common problems and working together on this makes sense.

Jerry

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