[Businessmtg] how voting works

[Emee Arthur]

Hi Melanie,

Emee, I think the math is off below.  For 19 persons, 2/3 is 13 people.  (I 
> think you are thinking of 1/3.) The total we are working with changes if there 
> are those choosing to abstain.  We do not have so many abstaining

Thanks Melanie............... you are correct...2/3 of 19 would be 13 (smile).
Ok, then, so we are using the 2/3% majority on this issue and the abstain votes could change the quorum. Thanks for getting back to me.

Emee





> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:37:50 -0700
> From: melaniemalias-melanie at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] how voting works
> CC: businessmtg at asp-afg.org
> To: emee3x12 at hotmail.com
> 
> I received this regarding Abstentions. (Sorry for not forwarding it, as I 
> thought it went to the whole business meeting):
> 
> 
> "Normally, abstaining votes are not counted in the tally of Yea's and Nay's, 
> otherwise they'd get counted as Nay's.  Example, if 4 vote for a motion, 4 vote 
> against and 2 abstain, the result is a tie.
>  
> "However, there are occasions when a majority or super-majority of the voters is 
> required.  Then, the folks abstaining are in essence counted as Nay's.  Example, 
> one of ASP founding principles is that 2/3's of ALL members of ASP must vote for 
> any motion that would change any of the principles outlined in the Founding 
> Principles.  In other words, if we had 300 members on the ASP server at the 
> time, at least 200 would have to vote for such a motion to change ASP in that 
> way.  The exact same requirement as what is needed to change the wording in the 
> Steps, Traditions or Concepts.  We wanted something that was stable and couldn’t 
> be easily changed by a small number of people in the Business Meeting."
> 
> Emee, I think the math is off below.  For 19 persons, 2/3 is 13 people.  (I 
> think you are thinking of 1/3.) The total we are working with changes if there 
> are those choosing to abstain.  We do not have so many abstaining.
> 
> Hugs,
> Melanie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Emee Arthur <emee3x12 at hotmail.com>
> To: melaniemalias-melanie at yahoo.com
> Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 19, 2013 3:21:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Abstentions
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Sandie for forwarding my share to the group and for getting back to me on 
> the question of Abstentions.
> 
> This is not how I thought it was done for a % vote.  Using your example: If we 
> have 23 voting members then 2/3 %  would  make the quorum  17 members needed to 
> pass the vote.  Abstains are an important part of a vote because they are a 
> decision too. I have seen motions not pass at Assemblies because of too many 
> abstentions...I don't believe they should be dismissed from the count. BUT in 
> any case, I would like to hear from the adminstrator or secretary how we are 
> going to figure the % before we vote.
> 
> We have 19 voting members in this business meeting from what I see.  The quorum 
> (rounding up) would be 7 needed to pass a motion. If the total count of the 
> votes show there are 7 for; 4 against; and 8 abstain ...the vote would not pass 
> even though it has the required 7 for.
> 
> Because if we would take 8 abstains off the total of 19 making it 11 voting 
> members then that brings the quorum up to 8 members needed to pass the motion.
> 
> 
> Emee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: svdagg at gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:18:13 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Abstentions
> > CC: businessmtg at asp-afg.org
> > To: emee3x12 at hotmail.com
> > 
> > In answer to Emee's question with regard to abstentions it is as if they did
> > not count.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > For example if you have 23 voting members and 3 abstain then the vote is
> > decided by the other 20 voters.  If they choose to abstain then they are no
> > longer a voting member.  
> > 
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> > 
> > Sandie
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