[Businessmtg] ASP KBDM

[Sandie - ASP]

The only way to get a clear consensus that the matter should be dropped is to do a poll. In a business meeting this would involve a show of hands. 

Hugs

Sandie
Iron Bridge, Ontario

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jerry <logmark at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Biz-Pals, 
>   
> As I follow my own suggestion to read up on KBDM, I have come to realize that KBDM is implemented in different ways in different Al-Anon environments. In some Areas or Districts a polling process to identify a consensus is indeed included. 
>   
> Here at ASP though, if my recollection serves me right, and from past KBDM processes we've used here someone has methodically gone through the Business Meeting sharings and come up with a subjective accounting of "pros 'n cons" from which a determination is made whether a "consensus" exists. 
>   
> I don't in principle object to using a poll, and perhaps we need to tighten up ASP's KBDM process to include one. As of now, though, there is no ASP policy that includes a polling process to determine whether a consensus exists. Until there is, then, we ought follow the Group Conscience that brought KBDM to ASP. It is clear there is no heavy acceptance of a requirement for Greeters to forward topics. In every Business Meeting up until now this topic would be now officially dropped. Changes in leadership should not bring in practices perhaps common to other areas or districts, but which differ from ASP's current Group Conscience. We go by our autonomous group practices until they are changed. 
>   
> For the record, Sandie, I, too, have participated in a very many KBDM processes within Al-Anon over the last 10 years. I believe it's fair to say I was one of if not the first to suggest using KBDM here in ASP having heard of it in 2006 when the WSO began addressing it and through ASP's adoption of it in 2008. ASP adopted KBDM (on a trial basis if I recall) in the form as I have described it in my last email. [Of note: there is no inclusion of a polling process in ASP's specific outline of KBDM business practices on the ASP member page. The process is spelled out pretty clearly.]  
>   
> If ASP Policy is to be changed - and in this case it could be argued that it should to be certain that no subjective judgments determine our direction - then let's address this change to ASP's KBDM process in the next Business Meeting. Then we'd get ourselves on the same page. 
>   
> Lastly, at the discretion of the of the Chair, ASP can switch back to Robert's Rules under some circumstances. If that is desired, then write the motion, get a second, and we'll vote on it. No need for polls.  
>   
> Jerry 
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