[Businessmtg] Show Of Hands

[Apryl Schneider]

Having reflected on both Steve's and Jerry's comments I believe we should adopt the appropriate method of utilizing KBDM. It becomes far too easy to run amok with opinions based on nothing more than a brief statement in an email with little fact. I support a 'facts only' phase following by an 'opinions' phase prior to an official vote. 

While I understand the difficulty in reading the room via an email meeting, my now much clearer understanding of KBDM as it applies to ASP leads me to believe that we ought not be polling. If we open the floor to facts only then opinions only with the chair gently prodding folks that have yet to participate that seems much cleaner and frankly, much clearer in terms of next steps and getting us to the point of consensus. 

Apryl

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Gerald Hunter <logmark at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hmmmm
> 
> KBDM.
> A general topic discussion is raised from which a consensus on a defined topic is "detected". A motion is then written which fits that general agreement. Full research and information seeking takes place regarding the motion. Fully informed participants then discuss the motion until all input is heard. Then a vote is taken with a goal of 100% agreement.
> 
> My question is this: at what point is this "show of hands" taken?
> 
> I suggest the only spot would be before the motion is written. [As in "How many think we should write a motion on this subject?" Anything after that equates to a vote on the topic without full discussion no matter what it's called.
> 
> I'm in favor of more clarity on what we're being asked to raise our hands to.
> 
> Jerry
> - from the Hopper woods
> -
> 
> 
> Laura M <lauram at asp-afg.org> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to give a little background of why this item is on the agenda.
>> 
>> ASP works by KBDM (Knowledge Based Decision Making). We don't use Roberts
>> Rules unless absolutely a last ditch, as ASP wants to bring people to
>> consensus before taking a vote on anything.
>> 
>> In a face to face meeting, the chairperson would be able to gauge where
>> people are by looking at nodding heads, as well as listening to the shares.
>> 
>> The problem at ASP is that the chairperson doesn't have the ability to
>> gauge where people are unless they speak up.
>> 
>> Here is an example:
>> An issue comes up in the business meeting and you are thinking that it is
>> not a good idea and you share that position. You read all the shares, and
>> realize that people have really good points, and change your mind, and wait
>> for the vote.
>> 
>> At this point, the chairperson has no indication that you have switched
>> your viewpoint, and would still consider you as a person who is not in
>> favor.
>> 
>> Another example:
>> You really don't have an opinion on an issue, and wait to hear the sides.
>> You read everything and make up your mind, but don't share it with the
>> group.
>> 
>> At this point the chairperson has no indication of where you stand on the
>> issue.
>> 
>> What this all boils down to is that the chairperson needs a mechanism to
>> determine how close the business meeting is to consensus on an issue. Since
>> we can't do a physical show of hands, I am suggesting that we require a
>> straw poll (or more than one) to determine if consensus has been
>> reached *before
>> *we entertain any motions that get voted on.
>> 
>> This will protect the voices of the minority, as well as ensure that
>> everyone is heard.
>> 
>> Thanks for letting me bring this before the business meeting.
>> 
>> Laura M
>> Secretary
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