[Businessmtg] Show Of Hands

[Steve Rankin]

I agree with Jerry's assessment of "when" to have a show of hands.

The problem is that our current KBDM process does not separate the
FACT/INFORMATION phase of the meeting from the OPINION/DELIBERATION phase.
This is clearly seen in the current meeting where the vast majority of posts
have been short quips of opinion, and very little fact & information. 

We need to separate these phases of the meeting before moving on to
discussing a show of hands type of thing. 

Hugs,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: Businessmtg
[mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve=serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org] On Behalf Of
Gerald Hunter
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:28 PM
To: Steve - SC
Cc: ASP Business
Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Show Of Hands

Hmmmm

KBDM.
A general topic discussion is raised from which a consensus on a defined
topic is "detected". A motion is then written which fits that general
agreement. Full research and information seeking takes place regarding the
motion. Fully informed participants then discuss the motion until all input
is heard. Then a vote is taken with a goal of 100% agreement.

My question is this: at what point is this "show of hands" taken?

I suggest the only spot would be before the motion is written. [As in "How
many think we should write a motion on this subject?" Anything after that
equates to a vote on the topic without full discussion no matter what it's
called.

I'm in favor of more clarity on what we're being asked to raise our hands
to.

Jerry
- from the Hopper woods
-


Laura M <lauram at asp-afg.org> wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I wanted to give a little background of why this item is on the agenda.
>
>ASP works by KBDM (Knowledge Based Decision Making). We don't use 
>Roberts Rules unless absolutely a last ditch, as ASP wants to bring 
>people to consensus before taking a vote on anything.
>
>In a face to face meeting, the chairperson would be able to gauge where 
>people are by looking at nodding heads, as well as listening to the shares.
>
>The problem at ASP is that the chairperson doesn't have the ability to 
>gauge where people are unless they speak up.
>
>Here is an example:
>An issue comes up in the business meeting and you are thinking that it 
>is not a good idea and you share that position. You read all the 
>shares, and realize that people have really good points, and change 
>your mind, and wait for the vote.
>
>At this point, the chairperson has no indication that you have switched 
>your viewpoint, and would still consider you as a person who is not in 
>favor.
>
>Another example:
>You really don't have an opinion on an issue, and wait to hear the sides.
>You read everything and make up your mind, but don't share it with the 
>group.
>
>At this point the chairperson has no indication of where you stand on 
>the issue.
>
>What this all boils down to is that the chairperson needs a mechanism 
>to determine how close the business meeting is to consensus on an 
>issue. Since we can't do a physical show of hands, I am suggesting that 
>we require a straw poll (or more than one) to determine if consensus 
>has been reached *before *we entertain any motions that get voted on.
>
>This will protect the voices of the minority, as well as ensure that 
>everyone is heard.
>
>Thanks for letting me bring this before the business meeting.
>
>Laura M
>Secretary
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