[Businessmtg] Show of hands

J Roberts anewpage261 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 23 08:15:40 PDT 2016


I think I am with you there Linda!  And off to a meeting I go!!
Hugs,
Jennifer

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Linda Murphy-knoll <
lovemyoceanlife at gmail.com> wrote:

> This seems very complicated and almost comical for what seemed a simple
> question. (sharing of course in the opinion phase) Maybe we all just need a
> meeting?
>
> Hugs
>
> Linda
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Bubbe Turner <bjqt1945 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Apryl, for your voice of reason.
> >
> > BJ
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Apryl Schneider <aprylkae at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Just so I'm clear and since no one in opposition has been able to put
> >> together a simple list:
> >>
> >> Those who are for the show of hands seem to be relatively split on
> whether
> >> it should be done in straw poll fashion versus a website poll. The
> general
> >> reason for the poll is to assist the chair in determining whether a
> >> consensus has been reached. Since the goal of the BM is to reach
> >> substantial unanimity this is one approach to simplifying the meetings'
> >> ability to see when such has been reached.
> >>
> >> Those against the idea of a show of hands are against it for a variety
> of
> >> reasons ranging from objecting to the poll essentially being a secret
> >> ballot to practically forecasting the destruction of ASP and its
> policies.
> >> There is concern that offering up an internet poll is tantamount to
> asking
> >> for a preemptive vote and that the results would not be kept as the next
> >> poll would override the previous.
> >>
> >> I'm still unclear on whether we are in the fact finding portion or
> opinion
> >> portion as there has been a monster amount of opinion bandied about. In
> >> order to have a healthy meeting, regardless of the subject matter,
> everyone
> >> must be able to speak honestly. That becomes incredibly difficult when
> >> one's opinions are attacked. There is a marked difference between
> debating
> >> points and counterpoints and accusations. We've seen a TON of
> destructive
> >> dialogue this meeting and frankly, it's been difficult to pick through
> to
> >> to find the facts. I asked for a point and counterpoint list for the
> ease
> >> of the rest of the participants in casting their votes. Sadly, this is a
> >> fairly small agenda item and it's become something of an albatross.
> >>
> >> To those BM participants from whom we've not heard, please please please
> >> do NOT let the tone of this meeting stop you from participating. Your
> voice
> >> counts as well.
> >>
> >> Apryl
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