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[ASP Secretary]

I do not know what this "motion #4" is that Steve is referencing. Going by
the service documents on the website, the Treasurer "Reports monthly to
Steering Committee and Business Committee". Since the treasurer produces
the reports that are out on the website, accessible to all, (
http://asp-afg.org/members/tradition-7/), I don't see any reason to divert
our discussion from the issue at hand, which is what to do about the past
meeting. If you want to read the treasurer report, please do. If you have
specific questions regarding the report that is pertinent to the issue at
hand, please ask. Otherwise, please refrain from making comments that are
not specific to the issue at hand.

If the business meeting wants to table this pending the outcome of the
newcomer committee, that is something we can do - but we still have to
decide on it as a business meeting; the newcomer committee cannot make
decisions, they can only make recommendations.

Laura

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Susie Q <susie.q.dilly at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Steve.
>
> I too would like to see reports from the Steering Committee and Treasurer.
>
> Susie
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi ASPers,
> >
> > I have several thoughts on this issue:
> >
> > 1. This is NOT a housekeeping issue. The definition of a housekeeping
> issue
> > is:
> >
> >   "A motion of a routine nature dealing with administrative or purely
> > formal
> > matters necessary to expedite House business."
> >
> > This is not a routine issue or purely administrative issue. Instead, this
> > is
> > a potentially complex issue that involves a previous group conscience of
> > ASP, finances, and how we wish to deal with the greater issue of
> newcomers.
> >
> > Additionally, I have grave concerns with the thinking that we can undo a
> > previous group conscience requiring substantial unanimity (2/3's minimum)
> > with a housekeeping motion requiring a mere majority. That's a huge
> problem
> > of principle.
> >
> >
> > 2. I don't see this as a black and white situation. The members of ASP
> can
> > chose to make whatever decision they wish. For example, we could decide
> to
> > table this, pending the newcomer committee. Frankly, I think Kim was
> > spot-on
> > with the idea of leaving this issue to the newcomer committee.
> >
> >
> > 3. This issue should have come up long, long ago. Why not? Well, because
> > the
> > Steering Committee has failed to report regularly to the Business Meeting
> > as
> > required by Motion #4.
> >
> >
> > 4. ASP finances. As Jerry pointed out, ASP finances are not strong enough
> > to
> > support this program. This points out a problem similar to #3 above - the
> > Treasurer is also required to make a report to the Business Meeting.
> >
> >
> > So, after having said all of that I'll note that . . .
> >
> >
> > A. I am for tabling this issue pending the outcome of the current motion
> on
> > the floor and the final report of the committee which is most likely to
> > result from that motion.
> >
> >
> > B. I am requesting that the Steering Committee report to the this
> Business
> > Meeting and all future Business Meetings as required in Motion #4.
> >
> >
> > c. I am also requesting that the Treasurer provide a Treasurer's Report
> to
> > this Business Meeting and all future Business Meetings as required in
> > Motion
> > #4.
> >
> >
> > Hugs,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
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