[Businessmtg] Results of the poll

Fri May 19 07:37:48 PDT 2017

Hi all:

I've been with ASP since December. I enjoy the leads and the shares. I signed up for the business meeting. 

I'm totally confused. I don't remember a poll. Does that mean I left the meeting?

My opinion as a newcomer is that I would have appreciated a downloadable PDF welcome packet, not one in the mail. I realize that some things are covered by copyright, but a printable PDF sheet with welcome info would have been appreciated, but not missed. I did have to go back and forth to the website a lot. 

I'd suggest that the month long business meeting via inefficient email be changed to a set monthly meeting time on a phone bridge so that we could talk about the agenda and make motions, seconds and have discussions in a more understandable and civilized manner and get it done in a couple of hours. This format is hard to follow. 

Thank you Laura for your service. 

It would seem we are in need of a secretary so all other things that happened or didn't should be tabled until next month. 

I'm not sure I can make such a motion because I'm well, just not sure 🤔. I'm not even sure if I left the meeting. Did I or didn't I. 😉  I am totes confused. 

I think ASP needs a pause in business to get our collective consciousness on track. Nothing is worth this break in our serenity. 

Aye Carumba,

Hugs and healing thoughts,

Giovanna B

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jane Anon <happynjoyousnfree at gmail.com>
To: mommagetsreal <mommagetsreal at aol.com>
Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
Sent: Fri, May 19, 2017 09:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Results of the poll

Steve,

I will have to look it up if you want documentation, but we had a
discussion some time ago in the SC (I believe) about how if someone doesn't
vote, it is as though s/he has left the room, so s/he isn't counted in the
totals. 

There is always an option to abstain, so if no one chooses that option, I
will say "no abstentions." I don't think those who elect not to vote at all
should be counted because they have effectively left the meeting.

Now, if we want to include those who are included in the business meeting
but choose not to vote, that's fine, but then before posting the result, I
will need an updated count of who is still receiving the emails and
therefore counted as participating.

Jane

"It is easier to put on slippers than to carpet the world." ~Stuart Smalley

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:43 AM, List Administrator <
list_administrator at asp-afg.org> wrote:

> Please note 2-3 members have left the meeting.
>
> Sandie
> List Administrator
> Please join us at Al-Anon's Sixth International Convention
>
>
> <a href="http://www.al-anoninternationalconvention.org/sixthInternational.html" target="_blank">http://www.al-anoninternationalconvention.org/sixthInternational.html</a>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Steve Rankin <<a href="mailto:steve at serenitysys.com">steve at serenitysys.com</a>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jane,
> >
> > Please note that the group conscience of ASP REQUIRES "substantial
> unanimity
> > of subscribed membership of Business Committee".
> >
> > In other words,  a motion at ASP requires an affirmative vote by
> substantial
> > unanimity of EVERYONE in the meeting. BTW, we did this intentionally to
> > ensure that the group conscience of ASP follows Al-Anon principles as
> much
> > as possible by requiring a true substantial unanimity of everyone in the
> > room.
> >
> > Therefore, the results of the poll on the motion should NOT be reported
> as
> > "all in favor" because that was not true. There are 36 members of the
> > Business Meeting, therefore the results of the poll should be reported
> as:
> >
> > For:        34
> > Against:    0
> > Abstain:    0
> > No vote:    2
> >
> > True, it doesn't change the results in this case, but it's still
> important
> > to count every member's vote (or non-vote) according to the group
> > conscience. I addressed this issue before when the results of a poll were
> > reported as "Passed by a landslide" when in fact, the motion passed by
> the
> > slimmest of margins.
> >
> > Hugs,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Businessmtg
> > [<a href="mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve=serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org?">mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve=serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org</a>] On
> Behalf Of
> > Jane Anon
> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:16 PM
> > To: Steve - SC
> > Cc: ASP Business
> > Subject: [Businessmtg] Results of the poll
> >
> > The ASP Secretary has asked that I announce the results of the poll.
> >
> > Motion: "That a temporary committee be formed, answerable to the Business
> > Committee, to reassess ASP's newcomer-related materials and how ASP could
> > better serve newcomer needs."
> >
> > 34 votes were recorded, all in favor. No abstentions.
> >
> > Jane
> >
> >
> >
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