[Businessmtg] Fwd: Website:

Tue Oct 17 16:51:51 PDT 2017

I am trying to stay on topic here and NOT get distracted by personalities.

These replies to requests for emails are not helpful.  Several of us have asked for the email that holds the motion, which was done privately between Jane and Sandie.  To date, there has been nothing produced and shared with the group.  I also have all my emails from this October meeting.  I see no second before Bubbe stepped forward and publicly approved it just a little while ago.  Nothing is in my spam.

I have also checked the current site for motions, for copies of agendas from previous meetings and find nothing. Some motions are posted without dates or detail.  

Below is the original format published and approved by the Business Meeting in 2006, to my knowledge has not changed.  And that changes were made by a select few without vote or discussion and published sometime in 2015.  I maintain that this late add, 10/9 is totally out of order and nullified because of that.

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ASP Business Meeting – What is it and what is the format?

The Business Meeting is where all routine business issues are discussed and group consciences taken at the A Serenity Place online Al-Anon meeting. 

1.  The Chairperson will announce in the recovery meeting one week before the beginning of the next 
     Business Meeting, that the Business Meeting will be starting in one week and give a start date.  All 
     members who wish to participate in that discussion will need to join the Business Meeting prior to that 
     date. 

2.  Any member of ASP may attend the Business Meeting. 

3.  Once the discussion starts the Business Meeting will close and only those subscribed will be able to
     participate in the discussions and vote on the topic at hand. 

4.  At the end of that time any new members will be subscribed to the Business Meeting so that they may
     join in for the next topic.  This will allow for continuity in the topic, and prevent ‘packing’ the meeting
     just before a vote, and will also keep the meeting on track because we will not be revisiting the
     beginnings of the discussion and bringing new members up to speed.

5.  The Business Meeting meets starting the 1st of every other month, starting in January.   This gives
     each member, including your trusted servant’s time off to tend to the rest of their lives.

6.  The Business Meeting is led by the Chairperson (either the ASP Secretary or ASP List Administrator,  
     depending upon availability). 

7.  The Chairperson (the Secretary and List Administrator or alternates) determines the agenda of the  
      Business Meeting from items submitted by members in attendance at the Business Meeting.

8.  The Business Meeting discusses one and only one topic at a time.  It is the duty of the Chairperson
     to keep the meeting participants focused on the topic at hand.

9.  The Business Meeting is using the KBDM process on a trial basis.  If this process doesn’t appear to be
     working properly, the Chairperson may switch the Business Meeting to the traditional style based
     loosely on Roberts Rules of Order.
KBDM: Motions are developed by consensus after thorough discussion.  If there is no consensus, then no motion is to be made.
Roberts Rules:  Motions are made from the floor and seconded with discussion following.
10.  Voting:  The Secretary or Chair announces that a vote is to be taken.  Announcement to include:
    A full quote of the motion,
    The motion is posted on the voting poll,
    Instructions on the voting process,
    Deadline of majority required to pass super majority,
    Chairperson announces the results of the vote and asks the Web Master to post the motion and the vote on the ASP web site. 
11.  Major or controversial issues.  Issues which would result in a major change to ASP or are
       controversial in nature will have a delayed discussion and voting procedure.
Month 1:  Announcement of topic followed by truncated discussion to illuminate issues.  Discussion limited to 1 week.
Month 3:  Full discussion of topic.  Discussion may be extended to following month(s) as needed.
Month 5+: Voting on motion.
Examples of Things NOT to do at the A Serenity Place Business Meeting.  PLEASE READ!!

Send Business Meeting shares to multiple recipients.  The server will reject any message that is also sent to any other address in addition to the ASP address.  In addition to being rejected, this creates a mess on the server that needs to be cleaned up by the List Administrator.  The best way to send a share to the business meeting is to create a listing in your email address book for Business Meeting and send all shares to Business Meeting.

Comment on others shares, good or bad!  Please share your compliments to other members privately.

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If you would like your Business Meeting email on hold temporarily then go to the servers website and select the No Mail setting.  Complete instructions are at  http://www.asp-afg.org/ASP/nbm/business_meeting_instruction.htm

IMPORTANT NOTES:

The Business Meeting is the ONLY place we discuss this business.  Business issues are not to be taken to the ASP meeting.

If a member of ASP wants to bring something to the Business Meeting, then they must attend the Business Meeting.  There is no proxy voice or vote in Al-Anon.

Send your messages for the Business Meeting to  businessmtg at asp-afg.org

Like all Al-Anon meetings, this is a “Who you see here, what you hear here, Let it stay here.” meeting.  No exceptions, OK?

If you have any questions about A Serenity Place Business Meeting, technical or otherwise, please send me a note and I will do my best to answer them.

Love and SERENITY,
Denise
denise at asp-afg.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Businessmtg [mailto:businessmtg-bounces+aohara77=comcast.net at asp-afg.org] On Behalf Of List Administrator
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:29 PM
To: Anne - archivist - SC
Cc: ASP Business
Subject: [Businessmtg] Fwd: Website:

Please see previous email

Sandie
List Administrator
Please join us at Al-Anon's Sixth International Convention

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: List Administrator <list_administrator at asp-afg.org>
> Date: October 17, 2017 at 8:46:31 AM EDT
> To: Sandie - list administrator - SC <list_administrator at asp-afg.org>
> Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
> Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Website:
> 
> Yes. This item is controversial it has also been discussed at a previous Business Meeting. Pease see the archives. 
> 
> http://www.asp-afg.org/mailman/private/businessmtg/
> 
> 
> When an item not on the agenda is added then the meeting has to be reopened to the recovery membership according to the “rules”.  
> 
> I note that this additional item was posted to the general membership on October 9, 2017. 
> 
> I do not know any of the additional members personally. 
> 
> We now have a seconder to the motion. The motion is on the floor.  Discussion is only on the motion.  
> 
> Sandie
> 
> 
> Please join us at Al-Anon's Sixth International Convention
> 
> http://www.al-anoninternationalconvention.org/sixthInternational.html
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Sandie Parkker <sandieparkker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All:  .
>> 
>> This is a controversial issue and needs to be discussed at another time.
>> 
>> 
>> I will first quote from BM link below about controversial issues:
>> Then I will quote a member's quote on this issue from October 9 in 
>> this
>> meeting:
>> 
>> Business Meeting format:
>> 
>> "!!. Major or controversial issues.  Issues which would result in a 
>> major change to ASP or are controversial in nature will have a 
>> delayed discussion and voting procedure".
>> 
>> 
>> And also, may i bring your attention to #s 3 & 4 of same link below 
>> about BM format:
>> 
>> 3.  Once the discussion starts the Business Meeting will close and 
>> only those subscribed will be able to participate in the discussions 
>> and vote on the topic at hand.
>> 
>> 4.  At the end of that time any new members will be subscribed to the 
>> Business Meeting so that they may join in for the next topic.  This 
>> will allow for continuity in the topic, and prevent 'packing' the 
>> meeting just before a vote, and will also keep the meeting on track 
>> because we will not be revisiting the beginnings of the discussion 
>> and bringing new members up to speed"
>> 
>> So at this time I would like to add that bringing these new members ( 
>> no offense to you guys)  into the meeting is "packing" the meeting for a vote.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Member quote:
>> 
>> "Why are we bringing this to the October business meeting half way 
>> through the month?  And to what end?  Jane shared a compare doc with 
>> the business meeting back in May.  First, I want to stress that 
>> everything that Jane did to the website was filled with care and with 
>> the best intent, however, some content changes were substantial and none of it was discussed.
>> 
>> http://asp-afg.org/members/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/
>> Members-Only-Websites-Old-versus-New.pdf
>> 
>> –I am not suggesting we roll anything back, however, I think because 
>> people are weary of the topic, they are willing to rush into 
>> approving it.  In rereading the archives that is exactly the response 
>> I am seeing, and not a consensus worthy of a motion.
>> 
>> –I think that the SC can review Jane's compare against the archived
>> website.   Remember, the website is a publication and not a blog, changing
>> content to jive with one person's experience is not appropriate.  
>> Removing content that was voted on and replacing it with personal 
>> experiences that aren't voted on is also inappropriate.  Choosing a 
>> subset of acronyms instead of publishing them all is also not appropriate.  I could go on.
>> The link to the PDF is well organized, and will be easy to work through.
>> Jane did all the hardwork, refining and revising will be a production 
>> effort.
>> 
>> –I would like us to focus on the original topic and get folks to step 
>> forward in service instead of continuing to fuss over the website.
>> 
>> –Nowhere do I see on the original site that the business meeting 
>> agenda can change once the meeting starts. This is a change to the 
>> meeting format that was introduced and put on the newer website 
>> without a vote or approval from the Business Meeting.
>> 
>> –Original Business meeting documented format.  Voted on in 2006 
>> http://www.asp-afg.org/ASP/nbm/format.htm"
>> 
>> And please be reminded that what is said and the issues in the BM are 
>> not shared in the general recovery meeting.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you all for your consideration in these matters..
>> 
>> Peace and hugs,
>> Beverly
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