[Businessmtg] Current original agenda Oct bus meeting and the late addition

[Jane Anon]

Beverly,

You are entitled to your opinion. All I can say is that the membership at
large of ASP was NEVER involved in the website process until I brought the
issue to the meeting in May, so laying ALL the blame for this at my feet
seems a bit of an over reach.

On Oct 17, 2017 10:14 PM, "Sandie Parkker" <sandieparkker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Jane.  However the *authority* of the secretary* does not get* transferred
> to the List Admin.  We do not have a secretary at this time.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:47 PM Jane Anon <happynjoyousnfree at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Beverly, please read Anne's earlier email. Either the Secretary OR the LA
>> can chair the BM.
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2017 9:29 PM, "Sandie Parkker" <sandieparkker at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Jane.  As far as I can tell from our policies, when Laura resigned
>> from
>> > Secretary position, she resigned authority as well.  There is no back up
>> > for the Secretary position, like there is for the List Administrator.
>> >
>> > If there is no authority to state control of the agenda, we can't go to
>> > Roberts Rules.  We are still in the KBDM process.
>> >
>> > There is no authority until the SC comes up with an agenda to place or
>> > replace the chain of command.
>> >
>> > So this being said, Sandie took it upon herself to assume those
>> positions
>> > of the Greeter Chair, Secretary, and List Administrator.  There are some
>> > procedures in place to take care of this type of problem as I referenced
>> > above.  This is an obstacle of success in our program.  Assuming three
>> > positions.  This is called a consolidation of power in my book.
>> >
>> >   Sandie could have chosen to ask you, Jane to take the BM in September,
>> > but she did not and chose to skip a month.
>> >
>> > These vacant positions needed to constitute an emergency BM to
>> formulate a
>> > plan for coverage.  This did not happen.
>> > Why didn't this happen? Because Sandie was/is doing things outside of
>> her
>> > authority.  So for now we are stuck in KBDM process.
>> >
>> > Also.  There was no announcement that Sandie assumed the Greeter Chair
>> > position.  And who gave the List Administrator authority to appoint
>> > greeters?  Seems like consolidation of power to me.
>> >
>> > As far as motions go, they are out of order until we have a concensus.
>> >
>> > Peace and hugs,
>> > Beverly
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:42 PM Jane Anon <happynjoyousnfree at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> We are only discussing one topic at a time because we finished
>> discussing
>> >> the SC positions. Voting is going on, but the added members were not
>> given
>> >> the link for those polls. So there is no reason not to discuss this
>> topic.
>> >>
>> >> All you can really argue is that the motion was made prematurely, but
>> >> reversion to Robert's Rules is at the chair's discretion, I believe. I
>> >> can't see how allowing the members to voice their opinions on websites
>> >> they
>> >> are currently using violates any Al-Anon traditions or warranties.
>> >>
>> >> Honestly, the hostility in this meeting is breath-taking, though I no
>> >> longer find it surprising. Sandie is chairing the meeting, setting and
>> >> following an agenda which is at her discretion to do. If you want to
>> vote
>> >> against the website or discuss it further before a vote is taken, ok,
>> but
>> >> I
>> >> don't think it's appropriate to continually undermine the chair in this
>> >> way.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 17, 2017 7:26 PM, "Anne OHara" <aohara77 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > All,  enough evidence has been produced that confirms this late
>> addition
>> >> > is totally illegitimate. No motion should have ever been brought
>> >> forward. I
>> >> > object to the list administrators coercion in pushing it through when
>> >> our
>> >> > policies are clear. It is a total disregard of Al-Anon traditions,
>> >> concepts
>> >> > and warranties.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >
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