[Businessmtg] Show Of Hands

[Laura M]

If the rest of the business meeting is of Steve's opinion that I am doing a
poor job, I will gladly step down immediately.

Given that I have received no information from anyone on the steering
committee about how these business meetings run...and I am running them as
I have seen the business meetings run here before.

Since obviously there are major objections to how I am doing my job, I will
offer my resignation because that seems to be the only way Steve will be
satisfied.

Laura

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:

> I agree with Jerry's assessment of "when" to have a show of hands.
>
> The problem is that our current KBDM process does not separate the
> FACT/INFORMATION phase of the meeting from the OPINION/DELIBERATION phase.
> This is clearly seen in the current meeting where the vast majority of
> posts
> have been short quips of opinion, and very little fact & information.
>
> We need to separate these phases of the meeting before moving on to
> discussing a show of hands type of thing.
>
> Hugs,
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Businessmtg
> [mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve <javascript:;>=
> serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of
> Gerald Hunter
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:28 PM
> To: Steve - SC
> Cc: ASP Business
> Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Show Of Hands
>
> Hmmmm
>
> KBDM.
> A general topic discussion is raised from which a consensus on a defined
> topic is "detected". A motion is then written which fits that general
> agreement. Full research and information seeking takes place regarding the
> motion. Fully informed participants then discuss the motion until all input
> is heard. Then a vote is taken with a goal of 100% agreement.
>
> My question is this: at what point is this "show of hands" taken?
>
> I suggest the only spot would be before the motion is written. [As in "How
> many think we should write a motion on this subject?" Anything after that
> equates to a vote on the topic without full discussion no matter what it's
> called.
>
> I'm in favor of more clarity on what we're being asked to raise our hands
> to.
>
> Jerry
> - from the Hopper woods
> -
>
>
> Laura M <lauram at asp-afg.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >I wanted to give a little background of why this item is on the agenda.
> >
> >ASP works by KBDM (Knowledge Based Decision Making). We don't use
> >Roberts Rules unless absolutely a last ditch, as ASP wants to bring
> >people to consensus before taking a vote on anything.
> >
> >In a face to face meeting, the chairperson would be able to gauge where
> >people are by looking at nodding heads, as well as listening to the
> shares.
> >
> >The problem at ASP is that the chairperson doesn't have the ability to
> >gauge where people are unless they speak up.
> >
> >Here is an example:
> >An issue comes up in the business meeting and you are thinking that it
> >is not a good idea and you share that position. You read all the
> >shares, and realize that people have really good points, and change
> >your mind, and wait for the vote.
> >
> >At this point, the chairperson has no indication that you have switched
> >your viewpoint, and would still consider you as a person who is not in
> >favor.
> >
> >Another example:
> >You really don't have an opinion on an issue, and wait to hear the sides.
> >You read everything and make up your mind, but don't share it with the
> >group.
> >
> >At this point the chairperson has no indication of where you stand on
> >the issue.
> >
> >What this all boils down to is that the chairperson needs a mechanism
> >to determine how close the business meeting is to consensus on an
> >issue. Since we can't do a physical show of hands, I am suggesting that
> >we require a straw poll (or more than one) to determine if consensus
> >has been reached *before *we entertain any motions that get voted on.
> >
> >This will protect the voices of the minority, as well as ensure that
> >everyone is heard.
> >
> >Thanks for letting me bring this before the business meeting.
> >
> >Laura M
> >Secretary
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