[Businessmtg] Newcomer Committee response to Steve:

[Bubbe Turner]

Hi All,

Dear Steve:  Working behind the scenes exclusive to the 4 of you without
other soon to be NC members being advised is so not Al-Anon.  What good
does it do for the rest of us to sign up for a meeting if we are excluded
from the 'core' work.  Why the secrecy?

I feel like I was raped.  This is not service.  This is out and out control
issues.

BJ

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:

> Hi Beverly,
>
> No problem, but let's start over with this response . . .
>
> 1. The Business Meeting passed Motion #13 on May 18, 2017 that created a
> Newcomer Committee be formed: "That a temporary committee be formed,
> answerable to the Business Committee, to reassess ASP's newcomer-related
> materials and how ASP could better serve newcomer needs."
>
> 2. However, the genesis of that committee was at least a month prior to
> that
> and that communications had begun among committee members (Jerry, Kristen,
> Anne & myself) no later than April 18, 2017.
>
> 3. Laura was working with Jerry on this project In April/May - I was not
> part of that discussion and therefore don't have those details. However, I
> do know that on May 7, 2017 Laura formally asked these members "to serve"
> on
> "the newcomer committee.
>
> So, while the BM didn't create and/or recognize the Newcomer Committee
> officially until May 18th, the core of the committee had already been
> working on the project for a month.
>
>
> So, why does any of this matter?
>
> It matters in a situation like we have now where counting the days served
> ASP has become an issue. It also matters because interpreting it one way
> implies that the Chair does not have the authority to create a committee,
> especially an exploratory or advisory committee. Obviously, no committee
> can
> have any more authority that the authority of the convening body. Since the
> Chair's authority is limited to making suggestions, a committee convened by
> the Chair would be limited to making suggestions.
>
> Personally, I feel that the Chair has the authority to convene a temporary
> advisory committee, and to appoint members to that committee, provided that
> full disclosure is provided to the BM at the next Business Meeting and the
> Chair keeps the BM fully informed of the committee's work, just as the List
> Administrator is required to keep the Steering Committee fully informed of
> everything going on in her bailiwick.
>
> OTOH, if the BM convenes a committee, then only the BM has jurisdiction
> over
> the committee.. In this case, the Chair has no more control/authority over
> the committee than any other member of ASP.
>
> Will this make any real difference with Kristen?  Nope. Not a bit.
>
> Fodder for another Business Meeting down the road.
>
> Hugs,
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Businessmtg
> [mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve=serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Sandie Parkker
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: Steve - SC
> Cc: ASP Business
> Subject: [Businessmtg] Newcomer Committee response to Steve:
>
> Steve.  I am not sure I understand.  Are you saying that there was no group
> consensus taken to form and vote on the Newcomer Committee?  That this
> Committee was just created by the chair of the BM and the chair appointed
> members instead of voting in members?  Not sure.  I remember having a vote
> on a newcomer packet, which I believe was in May of this year, but that is
> all I recall.
>
> Peace and hugs,
> Beverly
>
>
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