[Businessmtg] Fwd: Newcomer Committee response to Steve:

[Anne OHara]

All,  For the purpose of transparency I believe that choosing the  May 18 removes any perceived secrecy. In terms of forming a committee with volunteers, I believe that a call for volunteers may have been missed. However, I was not selected I volunteered on my own during the discussion ahead of the formal announcement. We can certainly create defined guidelines for committees in the future. I don’t recall any overt secrecy. 

I think everyone needs to take a deep breath on this one. 

We agreed on the May 18 date I don’t see any reason to make a change to that agreement. 
Hugs

Anne
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bubbe Turner <bjqt1945 at gmail.com>
> Date: October 17, 2017 at 9:28:39 AM EDT
> To: Anne - archivist - SC <aohara77 at comcast.net>
> Cc: ASP Business <businessmtg at asp-afg.org>
> Subject: Re: [Businessmtg] Newcomer Committee response to Steve:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Dear Steve:  Working behind the scenes exclusive to the 4 of you without
> other soon to be NC members being advised is so not Al-Anon.  What good
> does it do for the rest of us to sign up for a meeting if we are excluded
> from the 'core' work.  Why the secrecy?
> 
> I feel like I was raped.  This is not service.  This is out and out control
> issues.
> 
> BJ
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Steve Rankin <steve at serenitysys.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Beverly,
>> 
>> No problem, but let's start over with this response . . .
>> 
>> 1. The Business Meeting passed Motion #13 on May 18, 2017 that created a
>> Newcomer Committee be formed: "That a temporary committee be formed,
>> answerable to the Business Committee, to reassess ASP's newcomer-related
>> materials and how ASP could better serve newcomer needs."
>> 
>> 2. However, the genesis of that committee was at least a month prior to
>> that
>> and that communications had begun among committee members (Jerry, Kristen,
>> Anne & myself) no later than April 18, 2017.
>> 
>> 3. Laura was working with Jerry on this project In April/May - I was not
>> part of that discussion and therefore don't have those details. However, I
>> do know that on May 7, 2017 Laura formally asked these members "to serve"
>> on
>> "the newcomer committee.
>> 
>> So, while the BM didn't create and/or recognize the Newcomer Committee
>> officially until May 18th, the core of the committee had already been
>> working on the project for a month.
>> 
>> 
>> So, why does any of this matter?
>> 
>> It matters in a situation like we have now where counting the days served
>> ASP has become an issue. It also matters because interpreting it one way
>> implies that the Chair does not have the authority to create a committee,
>> especially an exploratory or advisory committee. Obviously, no committee
>> can
>> have any more authority that the authority of the convening body. Since the
>> Chair's authority is limited to making suggestions, a committee convened by
>> the Chair would be limited to making suggestions.
>> 
>> Personally, I feel that the Chair has the authority to convene a temporary
>> advisory committee, and to appoint members to that committee, provided that
>> full disclosure is provided to the BM at the next Business Meeting and the
>> Chair keeps the BM fully informed of the committee's work, just as the List
>> Administrator is required to keep the Steering Committee fully informed of
>> everything going on in her bailiwick.
>> 
>> OTOH, if the BM convenes a committee, then only the BM has jurisdiction
>> over
>> the committee.. In this case, the Chair has no more control/authority over
>> the committee than any other member of ASP.
>> 
>> Will this make any real difference with Kristen?  Nope. Not a bit.
>> 
>> Fodder for another Business Meeting down the road.
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Businessmtg
>> [mailto:businessmtg-bounces+steve=serenitysys.com at asp-afg.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sandie Parkker
>> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:17 PM
>> To: Steve - SC
>> Cc: ASP Business
>> Subject: [Businessmtg] Newcomer Committee response to Steve:
>> 
>> Steve.  I am not sure I understand.  Are you saying that there was no group
>> consensus taken to form and vote on the Newcomer Committee?  That this
>> Committee was just created by the chair of the BM and the chair appointed
>> members instead of voting in members?  Not sure.  I remember having a vote
>> on a newcomer packet, which I believe was in May of this year, but that is
>> all I recall.
>> 
>> Peace and hugs,
>> Beverly
>> 
>> 
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